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Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1225	Posted - 2013.03.28 16:34:00 - [1] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: Edit: The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away. That certainly explains when the Minnie/Amarr warzone is almost ENTIRELY Minmatar controlled. Yup, Minmatar just run. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1226	Posted - 2013.03.28 17:58:00 - [2] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: We wanted to defend that system at that time. But we couldn-¦t. We simply hadn-¦t the nerves and numbers to place a pvper 24/7 in every plex to prevent the system form being farmed to hell. OK, so let me get this straight: According to evewho.com, your corp (Nasranite) has 43 members, and your alliance (Bloody Ronin) has 105 members, adn you couldn't find one person per plex for a single system--- let's assume, at most, 10 active plexes in that system--- to help keep hold on your home system? Really? All of your alliance members are in a single time zone? You can't actively recruit outside your TZ for other people to join the Alliance to keep sov? Help me understand here. :) "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1228	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:56:00 - [3] - Quote Muad 'dib wrote: still think the docking thing is stupid, adds needless logistical and chronological complications to a feature that already takes best part of a week to make a system vulnerable - thats if the enemy doesnt push it back ofc! About the farmers? Thats purely the isk earning potentials fault and how completely broken the ratio of isk vs. time invested in the character. Also the lack of need to actually fight anything other than the NPC in the plex to get your reward. Farmers farm available systems, they do not take systems to farm them or pvp/deplex to keep them -> huge issue. Add difficulty to take systems time wise and logisticly - to farmers with little to no interest in keeping or flipping vulnerable systems and you have FW players who RP (not actual RP), people that want to take systems for glory and honor of their race etc and you have people on the same side working against each other more than together. If that isk runs too low, the farmer switches to another alt or changes militia. No wonder players like colt are raging :) also: in before "told you so, before inferno." Playing Devil's Advocate, even the farmers are contributing to the war effort, so why all the hate? Just because they run from a 1v5 (frigate vs FW toon + four neutrals) dropping into a plex? I will almost always fight a 1v1 that looks like it'll be a good fight, but I'll run every single time from a gang of neuts and a single FW player. The intent is obvious, and I choose not to take part in that bad, one sided fight. ("Learn to choose your fights" is the mantra, no?) So I guess that makes me one of the bad guys. So be it. I'll adjust my tactics accordingly (already have, actually). "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1228	Posted - 2013.03.29 15:59:00 - [4] - Quote Lin Suizei wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Playing Devil's Advocate, even the farmers are contributing to the war effort, so why all the hate? Personally, I don't think there's much hate towards the farmers themselves - they've identified a clearly broken system and are exploiting it hard and fast before CCP looks at faction war again (maybe in 2016), as they rightfully should. Now, if only plex mechanics didn't strongly incentivize sitting 29km from the button with a cloak and stabs. Personally, I've got no problem with a new mechanic that prevents cloaks from working in plexes. No stabs just means someone is whining about not being able to kill someone that's actually there to participate in the game. To do that is just giving in to the whiners. I come back to my main suggestion for FW: only allow FW members into plexes. If you have to ambush someone for your thrills and kills, you're doing it wrong. And no, I really don't care who disagrees with me on that idea. Oh, and to the complete MORON that posted: Quote: Farmers have no loyalty or affiliation with anyone. ... you just demonstrated your complete ignorance by making the blanket statement you just did. Good job. You just invalidated any other comments you've ever made. Everyone should OF COURSE play YOUR game, not their own. Obviously. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1228	Posted - 2013.03.29 18:14:00 - [5] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Well, need to create ways to keep people from jumping from militia to militia; or make the farming even harder. Maybe Increase the standings gain from plexing, so that they gain ranks and lock themselves out of their opposing factions. Or make it so that players leaving FW cannot immediately jump into another FW until a certain time limit is reached. Say 2 weeks? Maybe more? I'd be fine with that, too... Even go so far as to say you can't hop into another faction without a 6 month (180 day) cool-down period. There is absolutely no reasonable excuse for needing to hop other than farming. My big problem at this point is that "farmer" is being applied to anyone that plexes or run missions in FW. I know I'm not a farmer (no patience for all that sit-on-my-arse time), but I like taking an FW toon and a neutral booster out there, watching traffic, chatting up others in system, and so on. Just like I don't like sitting on button for hours on end, I also despise roaming for hours on end, running from blobs, and blobbing on single ships with other folks. That's not my idea of fun. "Carebear" is anyone that doesn't peeveepee, and "farmer" is anyone that doesn't peeveepee. That really shows the idiocy that seems to be growing in this game for the last could years. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1228	Posted - 2013.03.29 18:52:00 - [6] - Quote Grayson Cole wrote: Are there any actual dedicated FW players? Seriously. It seems FW is mostly made up of farmers, null alts, and players just looking for a place to pad killboards. I'm not dedicated, no. If I had to break down my playtime across my accounts, I'd say I was 45% industrial (R&D, manufacturing, market), 30% missioning (Caldari, Minnie, & Gallente), and the rest FW. Doing any one thing too long begins to bore me. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1228	Posted - 2013.03.30 12:56:00 - [7] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1527982 That is fw actually^^ This guy prolly conquered several systems alone^^ He's doing something. How many of you are just sitting in high sec spinning? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1235	Posted - 2013.04.02 15:04:00 - [8] - Quote Princess Nexxala wrote: No it wouldn't, most people would just turn the notifications off to prevent the constant annoyance. FYI people don't give a ** about sov unless they live there. A notification system will not change that. Cearain wrote:** Notifications would make pvpers about 3-5xs as efficient as they are now. Combined with the added inefficncy carebears would get from a timer rollback and we would have what we need. Namely fw sov would be more efficiently done if you can stay and fight for your plex instead of constantly running and hiding. About 10 pvpers could prevent rabbits from flipping systems in the entire caldari gallente front, if they had notifications and a timer rollback mechanic. They could spread out and would generally be only 3 jumps from any system. Hence they could effectively shut down any rabbits that are not willing to stay and fight. I don't think Cearain quite gets the fact that those notifications will, indeed, just be shut off (just llike that Safety nonsense). More efficient? Not in the slightest. There are some who INTENTIONALLY light up every plex in surrounding systems before they start plexing, just to keep the hunters, FW or not, busy for a while. Find enough empty plexes and they either just move on or break out the probes (in which case they can be seen). Light 'em all up, and you NEED a crap-ton of people in systems with more than two plexes. You guys want Easy Button boolsh!te (like notifications and such) to make your work easier, people like me will INTENTIONALLY do what we can just to spite you. While I don't farm, your whining to CCP for Easy Button crap just makes me want to scream the opposite. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1235	Posted - 2013.04.02 15:50:00 - [9] - Quote Cearain wrote: You misunderstand how notifications would work. They would work to tell you where timers are running not just where plexes are open. Thanks for confirming your desire for more Easy Button mechanics. Work--- like math--- is hard. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1235	Posted - 2013.04.02 16:04:00 - [10] - Quote Cearain wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Cearain wrote: You misunderstand how notifications would work. They would work to tell you where timers are running not just where plexes are open. Thanks for confirming your desire for more Easy Button mechanics. Work--- like math--- is hard. Because I want people to fight for plexes instead of just orbitting buttons with no resistance, I am labeled as the one wanting an easy button? Winning sov through pvp is a much harder task than winning by rabbit plexxing. Its also more fun and rewarding. So... why exactly are you involved in FW and it's fake "sov" race with all its bad things and horrible mechanics, when you could be safely hidden away in null, fighting the good fight for REAL sov, with all the awesome 'leet battles and rewards?!?!? FW "sov" clearly isn't about just popping ships, but you want the failed null mechanics foisted on FW, too? And why exactly do you insist on people playing YOUR game, instead of theirs? You clearly still don't get it, do you, Cearain: the game you want exists in null. Quit trying to impose your idea of nullspace on FW space. If you want null sov mechanics, go to null. Quit trying to screw up the game for the rest of us, m'kay? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1239	Posted - 2013.04.08 17:39:00 - [11] - Quote Cearain wrote: [ Thats like saying ccp developed top astroid belts as a pvp mechanic. Edit: sorry XG but threads like this will continue to pop up as long as fw sov is a carebear race. CCP might as well fix it. Given all the rage against carebears, maybe you should consider that it's the carebears that actually run the show, and not the peeveepee'ers... Everyone needs the military to be the hammer, but anyone with any intelligence knows it's the EHM's that actually make stuff happen. But you stick with your big hammer. I'll keep lurking behind the curtain with my alts. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

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